- Lynette Largent Mat 12:21 And in his name shall the Gentiles trust. That name is Jesus and in His name, many have been saved since He came.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2cOjz648FZ0 - Adrian James Robinson Watsons bias opinion about sherlock holmes: "His ignorance was as remarkable has his knowledge"
- Mike Humphrey WOW ok there is just no hope if you deny the word of God and compare his disciples to watson - then this conversation is over, you asked for scripture and i gave it to you. we're done
- Lynette Largent Romans 1 is a good start:
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. - Lynette Largent Proverbs 8:13 "The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate."
- Lynette Largent Proverbs 6
16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren. - Tracey Iman 4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1john3:4 kjv - Mike Humphrey Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
- Lynette Largent Unrighteousness IS sin and it's in Romans 1 as listed above. 1Jo 5:17 "If any man see his brother sin a sin [which is] not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death."
- Lynette Largent It's too bad that you didn't listen to Brady's teaching live, online at Bethel Church tonight, Tracey. He preached on repentance.
- Lynette Largent Jesus FULFILLED the law. Got Jesus? "Col 2:13-15 "And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; [And] having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it."
- Tracey Iman 17¶Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Matt 5:16-17
Has heaven and earth passed? - Lynette Largent Oh, please! Definition of FULFILL
1 archaic : to make full : fill <her subtle, warm, and golden breath…fulfills him with beatitude — Alfred Tennyson>
2 a : to put into effect : execute
b : to meet the requirements of (a business order)
c : to bring to an end
d : to measure up to : satisfy
3 a : to convert into reality
b : to develop the full potentialities of - Mike Humphrey its called a conscience until the cross it was written in stone after the cross hearts and minds of all
- Adrian James Robinson yes i understand....sherlock always looks for true justice. and doesnt fill his head with useless information. jesus lives in all thru me and you.
- Lynette Largent John 19:30 "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, IT IS FINISHED: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."
- Tracey Iman I'm not trying to debate I'm just asking questions unfortunately I'm having to answer them as well.
Again I ask what does forever mean? - Mike Humphrey are you guys really this bored over there that all you have to do is harass other Christians, I am no pastor but I know I have read in the bible about pettiness and vanity of pride, conceits and snootyness of thinking your right. We just read the word of God we do not interpet, translate or make things up, just the facts is all we have straight out of the book
- Adrian James Robinson unlimitied energy. always craving the word. u live on thru blood, that family tree. u cant fear death u must embrace it. we fall only to realize how we fell. dont make the same mistake, ur only fighting aganst yourself and ones u love... thats forever
- Lynette Largent All the prophecy from the Bible, is not complete. Pray for understanding.
1 Corinthians 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth NOT the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." - Tyler Hiatt Good point Tracey sin is the transgression of the law. That certainly can't be biblical denied.
- Lynette Largent I'll be glad when Pastor Mike gets back and cleans a bunch of you people who have no understanding out of here.
- Lynette Largent Gal 2:16 "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified." 2 John 1:34-36 "Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed."
- Tracey Iman Lynette I'm not Christian, atheist, agnostic, Jewish, Hebraic roots or any other title and with your last snide comment I can say of that I'm thankful. I am a follower of messiah that's in the bible and try to live by his example. I could be mean and condescending as was with my old nature or I can ask questions in the same manner as I have. It's my experience however that being snooty or condescending get no one anywhere. Shall we start over?
- Lynette Largent I don't mean to be snooty, but don't push the innocent act with me. I can see right through it. You are sewing confusion on Pastor Mike's timeline. If you want to have your leading questions answered, study the Word in the spirit and pray for understanding. 2 Tim 2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
- Tyler Hiatt I do not know 1 Torah observant person who is trying to be justified or saved by obedience to the law. I honestly seek to obey the Torah because to me it is very obvious that Jesus obeyed ALL the OT laws as did every other writer of scripture from Genesis to Revelation. Jesus is my leader and I must walked as He walked not how a Pastor tells me I should walk.
- Lynette Largent When ever I ask a HRM person why Jesus came, they usually tell me that he came to "teach us how to live." I find that quite interesting. Here's why He came:
by John Henry
Why Was Jesus Christ Born?
Introduction:
John 1:1-3, 14: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. … And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
1 John 5:6-7: "This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
Matthew 1:23: "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."
Luke 4:16-19: "And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord."
1. Christ Came To Call Sinners To Repentance:
Luke 5:31-32: "... They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."
2. Christ Came To Give His Life To Keep Us Out Of Hell:
1 Timothy 1:15: "This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief."
Mark 10:45: "For ... the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many."
John 3:13-15, 36: "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. ... He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."
3. Christ Came To Destroy The Works Of The Devil:
1 John 3:8: "He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil." (cf. John 8:44; James 4:7-8)
Hebrews 2:14-15: "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage."
4. Christ Came To Give Men Abundant Life:
John 10:10: "... I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly."
5. Christ Came To Guarantee Eternal Life To Believers:
John 6:38-40: "For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day." (cf. Phil. 2:6-8)
6. Christ Came To Fulfill Prophecy And The Law:
Matthew 5:17-18: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
7. Christ Came To Bring Division:
Matthew 10:34-35: "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law."
John 9:39: "... For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind." (cf. John 12:48)
8. Christ Came To Give Spiritual Light To Believers:
John 12:46: "I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness."
John 3:17-19: "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."
9. Christ Came To Take Away Sin and Save Sinners:
1 John 3:4-5: "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin."
Luke 9:56: "For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. ..."
Luke 19:10: "For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost."
10. Christ Came To Be King:
Revelation 12:5: "And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne."
John 18:37: "Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice."
Conclusion:
James 1:17-18, 21: "Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. Of his own will begat he us with the Word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. ... Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted Word, which is able to save your souls."
John 1:11-12: "He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name."
Ephesians 2:8-9: "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."
Romans 6:23: "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
1 Corinthians 15:56-57: "The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ."
2 Corinthians 8:9: "For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich." - Adrian James Robinson who em I? WHO ARE YOU¿ We are mirror images of eachother. we are the same. individualism. one must speak for all and all for 1
- Tracey Iman You have to use another's teaching? Interesting.
I do study many hours a day. Sewing confusion? Not my intent only asking questions that the answer can be found in scripture. - Lynette Largent Titus 1:10-16 "For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake. One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work REPROBATE."
- Lynette Largent Galatians 5:1-6 "Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the WHOLE LAW. ***Christ is become of no effect unto you,*** whosoever of you are justified by the law; ***ye are fallen from grace.*** For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love."
- Tyler Hiatt Do you believe the Jews read from the KJV? Or Hebrew? I'd study the Word Torah a bit more before I'd say its not in the bible.
- Lynette Largent I speak English. "Bible in English, as well as Bibel (German) and Biblia (Latin, Spanish) come from the Greek word Biblos, meaning “book.”
- Mike Humphrey your trying to save me, i really do not know if i should laugh or pray, i'll go with pray for you
- Napulegno Doc There's no point to a concordance , do you know the 52 translators of the King James Bible knew Hebrew better then every person that ever posted on this page. Do you know your typing in a language primarily influenced on the King James Bible.
- Tyler Hiatt Proverbs 28:9 If one turns away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer is an abomination.
- Napulegno Doc Acts 11:26 (KJV) 26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
- Tracey Iman Napulegno no point to a concordance? That's interesting, I do agree they probably did know Hebrew better than I could hope to , but let me ask we're they incapable of making mistakes? How many revisions have been made to the kjv?
- Adrian James Robinson freedom of choice...i cannot interfere, u must find yourself and walk that narrow path. i pray its passionate and long suffering. Never stray from the truth
- Lynette Largent And that Tyler, is from the OLD covenant - pre-Jesus. The Lord promised a NEW covenant in Jer 31:32-33 & Hbr 8:8, because the people could not keep the law (ALL the law) and Jesus brought it, with his blood sacrifice on the cross. Hbr 12:24 "And to Jesus the mediator of the NEW COVENANT, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that of] Abel." Hbr 8:13 "In that he saith, A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth OLD [is] ready to vanish away."
- Napulegno Doc That's in the perfect English show us another bible that's produced more fruit then the King James Bible.
- Napulegno Doc The King James Bible is exactly the way God wants it to be with no errors. The revisions set it to how the translators wanted it translated they didn't have computers.
- Lynette Largent Yes, you do. The Scripture says so. Galatians 5:1-6 "Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the WHOLE LAW. ***Christ is become of no effect unto you,*** whosoever of you are justified by the law; ***ye are fallen from grace.*** For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love."
- Tyler Hiatt Hebrews 10 26 For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
27 but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries.
28 Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses.
29 How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has spurned the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace? - Tracey Iman 28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. 31Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law
Romans 3:28-31 - Tyler Hiatt You interpretation of Paul's writing COMPLETELY ignore CHRIST own Words. Matthew 5:19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
- Lynette Largent John 1
11 He [Jesus] came unto his own, and his own [Jews] received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. - Tyler Hiatt You can either choose to be great in the kingdom or least in the kingdom. Choose wisely and not according to what MAN has told you
- Lynette Largent You don't understand the commandments of JESUS. John 15:10 "If ye keep MY [Jesus] commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love."
Mark 12:29-31 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
Mat 20:28 "Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many." - Lynette Largent Rev 2:9 "I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan." Mat 12:21 "And in his name shall the Gentiles trust."
Rev 3:8-9 "I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee."And there's more! - Tracey Iman Grace is the taking away if the penalty for sin correct? If you take away the law then by logic with no such thing as law there is no such thing as sin. If there is no such thing as sin then there is no need of a savior and grace. Is this not in fact logic? Is this not in fact what Paul teaches?
- Napulegno Doc No one said to take away the law it says its a schoolmaster to bring you to Christ. You need to take the law in light of the church age doctrine and apply !
- Lynette Largent Ephesians 2
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. - Napulegno Doc I agree with what you wrote TI the laws good I have to look at it in light of Paul's writings to the church though.
- Stephanie Buist Eph 2:15 - Having abolished in his flesh the emnity, EVEN THE LAW OF COMMANDMENTS contained in ordinances for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.
One person asked if God changes. No he doesn't but how he handles us does.
Hebrews 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
He says that if the first covenant were faultless he wouldn't have needed to give us another. But it was clear that his law wasn't working with the Jewish people. So he had to send another way for the people to be justified before God than through the 10 Commandments and the Laws. He tells us that our new covenant won't be like the one he made with our fathers. Notice it is a NEW covenant. Jeremiah talks of a NEW covenant too. I know that many of the HRM leaders say that it is a RE-Newed covenant. But that isn't what scripture says.
If you notice each time Jesus tells you of a commandment he says "my" commandments. Jn 15:10-12 "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's commandments, and abide in His love. "These things I have spoken to you, that My joy may be in you, and that your joy may be made full. "This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you."
Why would he be distinct between HIS and MY FATHER's? His Father's commandments were those given in the OT. All 10 commandments were reaffirmed through loving God and your neighbor as yourself. The Sabbath rest is in Jesus who tells us to come to him all who need rest and he will give it to us.
Galatians 4:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
The law served as a purpose - to show us our sin and need for a savior. We are no longer under the schoolmaster. Once you are taught something and have learned do you go back and learn it again?
So the question is - why do you perform the 10 Commandments? What is the purpose of it? I get that you do it because you love God. But there has to be something that drives you to do it. If you don't do it what happens?
Arthur Bailey (of House of Israel) says that if you don't do the 10 Commandments then it is a salvation issue. I have it in his book on page 56. You see I got sucked into the HRM movement so I know where you are coming from. It felt like a curse. It was...
Gal 3:10 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
You see - I could never "continueth" in all things written in the book of the law. The Bible tells me that I must do ALL things in the law or I am cursed.
I believe that those following the OT Law are attempting to be justified before God but in Gal 5:4 we are told "Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; yet are fallen from grace."
If I am attempting to please God by doing the OT ways then I have fallen from grace. I will tell you that once I got my head on straight and began to really learn scripture and put that full armor of God on the peace that passeth all understanding came upon me. The turmoil in my soul that the HRM placed there with their twisted scriptures washed away.
Gal 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
You see God dealt with Abraham differently. He had no 10 Commandments or Law to follow. He was justified before God through only his faith and that is what saved him. We are blessed as Abraham in that freedom through the shed blood of Christ Jesus.
Gal 2:21 I do not frustrated the grace of God; for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. - Adrian James Robinson tell obama he can keep CHANGE, our suffering is not in vain. i open a can of king james cause my FAITH is bigger than Ving Rhames, IAM not ashamed to praise HIS NAME
- Vic Pob Romans 13:9-10 " For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore LOVE IS the FULFILENT of the LAW.
- Vic Pob Hebrew roots people are not led by the Spirit, but by their flesh in trying to fulfill the Law.
- Vic Pob Hebrew root, 7h day Advantists, Calvanists, Church of Christ cults always spend MORE TIME TRYING to convinced christians to accept their LEGALISM and LESS TIME preaching the Gospel to non-believer. I
- Vic Pob Hebrew Root people say they are expressing "obedience" by keeping the Law and not to be saved by the Law. HERE IS THE PROBLEM, DO THEY KNOW WHEN THEY HAVE PASSED FROM OBEDIENCE TO LEGALISM ? NO !
- Julie Mardis Knight Hebrews 7 and Galatians 3. I am made perfect by faith. Not by anything I have done but by the spirit He has given me. If a christian is dead to the flesh, how can he do anything? There is a better way.... through Christ, we have a better way. In Him we love and that fulfills all laws!
- Michael Boling Yes...because Jesus spoke in the KJV. LOL Too much regurgitation of silliness in this thread, too much cutting and pasting of scripture with no engagement of what those scriptures are actually saying. When anyone tries to demonstrate what Torah is all about, out comes the cut and paste responses again.
Folks Torah is in the Bible. It is the Hebrew word for God's commandments, His instructions to us on how to love God and love others.
//Hebrew Root people say they are expressing "obedience" by keeping the Law and not to be saved by the Law. HERE IS THE PROBLEM, DO THEY KNOW WHEN THEY HAVE PASSED FROM OBEDIENCE TO LEGALISM ? NO !//
This statement represents the widespread misunderstanding about what works actually is. Works is defined by James as what we do out of our love for God. It is a manifestation of our thankfulness and obedience to our Heavenly Father. It does not bring salvation, conversely, it is the walking of the walk and not just the talking of the talk. Be doers of the word and not hearers only. Remember that passage. This is not about legalistic rules and regulations. That is a complete misnomer. It was noted all of the commandments are summed up in loving God and loving others. That is indeed true. I might ask you where those commandments are rooted in. Additionally, love is a verb which requires action. How do we know how we are supposed to love God and love others? From God's word, His Torah. Torah, regardless of how it has been explained to you is not a return to Pharisaical law keeping where someone is stoned if they kill their neighbors cattle or if they do not properly dispose of mold in their home. Torah is the entire word of God. Any command given to us by God is to be obeyed. What does the NT declare is the sword of the Spirit? The word of God, His Torah. What does Scripture declare is that which is perfect and turns us from being immature to mature believers? That's right...the word of God, His Torah. What does Scripture declare is a light unto our feet and a light unto our path? That's right...God's word, His Torah.
How do we know what is right and what is wrong? That's right...from God's word...His Torah. Freedom is found from the curse of the law, the penalty of death for those who cannot perfectly keep God's law which by the way is everyone. That is why we needed the Passover Lamb, the Messiah. That does not mean we are not commanded to be holy or to live according to the guidelines God has given us. To reject God's commands is described in Scripture as being lawless. It is living according to whatever one desires. That is not biblical living at all. Being led by the Spirit means allowing the Spirit to write God's law on your heart. That was the purpose of Pentecost by the way.
By the way, the Sabbath was established at creation, and reiterated well before the giving of the law at Mt. Sinai. Look it up. It is even in the KJV. - Sunmee Woo I don't read Hebrew Torah, I read the KJB. God gave us another tongue that is the KING JAMES BIBLE, his name is Jesus Christ in our language, as if you can read the Hebrew, well good for you then, don't make pass judgment on everyone else that can not read the Torah. Jesus Christ gave us His words KJB. If you have problem with that, then you ought to take it up with LORD on that issue. If you are not Jew, then you are gentle period. Jesus Christ fulfilled the law, which we can not. You, yourself don't keep the law, I am saved by GRACE and not the LAW. I don't have to read or understand Torah per-say, he gave me KJB that has no error, his words are pure and well preserved.
- Sunmee Woo MIchael were you there, when they wrote the Torah? I don't think so. New Test. Was written in Greek and not Hebrew, do you write and speak Greek? He is my Father and not some book per-say. KJB is His words, what is your problem with that. I will always be gentle, he loves the Jews and gentle. Jews got the 5 books of Moses, we got the OT/ NT in KJB. There is great power in his words the real words, without error, as Revelation 22:18-19 states it clear. Don't add, don't deleted it. I don't agree with those who practices Hebrew Root. You guys love to pound on peoples mind with doing more then anything else. And trying to turn the gentle into jews, that is wrong. My pastor Mike will and continue to expose those who are into this type of cult, that is what they are. They mislead many away from the real truth. Your problem is not with me, it is with Jesus Christ the Son of God.
- Michelle Schafer I would rather have the scripture "cut and pasted" than a man's opinion. I read my Bible and I know the context that the "regurgitated silliness" scriptures were in. If you want to keep yourself under the law go do it in on your own page! But my Bible tells me that in keeping the law no man will be justified.
We all want to walk pleasingly in our God's sight and aren't going about trying to turn grace into lasciviousness. But we do want to stay free.
Have you really read the whole Torah? IF SO Do you honestly believe you are keeping the whole law? From the smallest detail like not even kindling a fire on the Sabbath? I suppose you are hoping for God's grace to cover you in those small ways that you fall short.
Btw the only time that I have read the word "lawless" in my KJB is in this scripture
1 Timothy 1:9 (KJV)
9Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers.....
Maybe my Bible search software isn't as good as it could be but that is the only time I see that word in the whole KJB. - Vic Pob The legalists always use the following verse:
"If you love Me, keep My commandments." John 14:15 (NKJV)
and then state that what He meant by His commandments was to keep Torah, or follow
the law. However, we only need to look to the previous verses to find what commandments
Christ was speaking of.
"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another." John 13:34-35
Monday, April 15, 2013
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