- Matt Grogan The so-called "hebrew roots movement" are saying "walk as Yeshua walked" - "live as He lived" - and that makes them a "cult"??? So are the anti-HRM people saying "don't walk as Yeshua walked" and "don't live as He lived"?
- Moni Hz Matt you are not correct. As a believer I say trust in the Lord with all your might, lean NOT unto thine own understanding... If we read the Word and trust in the Spirit to make us understand we do, and we have peace. Then a MAN comes along, a HUMAN, a FLESH MAN and he says things that make us doubt Gods Word that we were already at peace with. Now I ask you; what spirit do you suppose is using this flesh man? It could not possibly be the Holy Spirit because He would work through the Word. What Spirit would want me to doubt my childlike faith in the Word?
- Dan Bulaong Rodriguez For every Hebrew cults out there... It is JESUS THAT SAVED ME. AND IT IS HIM THAT SEES ME THROUGH. WITHOUT HIM I CAN'T DO ANYTHING. SO IF YOU WANNA SHOVE THAT NONE SENSE THAT I GOTTA DO THAT OR THIS.. SHOVE IT DOWN YOUR OWN THROAT COZ WE AIN'T BUYING IT. AND FYI "YOU AIN'T THE GOD OF ME". SO STOP TRYING TO FIX US... JESUS GOT OUR BACKS.
- Dan Bulaong Rodriguez SO IF THAT'S WHAT YOUR BIBLE TELLS YOU "STALEY" THEN GO DO YOUR OWN THING. AS FOR MY SINS BEING PURGED. I WOULD RELY ON HIM ALONE!
- Debbie Knapp Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
1 John 4 - Mike Humphrey The problem i see with the Hebrew roots people (having been one at one time) is they follow men, these men are acting as Pharisees and just as the Jews had a vail over their eyes so do they and until they can remove that vail and see with their own eyes and hear with their own ears the whole word of God will be hid from them. but if they pray, look and listen they will have the true word of God in their heart and in their mind and the truth will set them free. You can not reason with them only the lord will wake the them so this is a complete waste of time that could have been used studying Gods word. God Bless and I pray you to will have your eyes open to Gods truth.
- Merlin Edmonston nobody here is worshipping staley or rood,enjoy many different folks' teachings? sure,and btw most of us do study hebrew not just a few words staley or rood use in their teachings
- Merlin Edmonston all are welcome over here https://www.facebook.com/pages/Faith-Grace-Torah/619932324700187?ref=ts&fref=ts for further discussions
- Dan Bulaong Rodriguez Merlin are you guys professing to be gods? Moving us to change... LISTEN UP. YOU ARE NOT A GOD!
- Merlin Edmonston I said all are welcome over there,since many don't want us over here.don'tt want to cause strife
- Dan Bulaong Rodriguez So go... Shoo! We here believe that it is Jesus that changes us... Not people like you.
- Joe Austin Chambless Yisrael, I believe that faith without works is dead (James 2:17), and that if we love Jesus, then we will keep his commandments (John 15:10). However, if you read on in John 15 after verse 10, Jesus goes on to explain that his commandment is this: that we love one another. Reading James 2:17 in context also, my understanding is that the "works" that James is speaking of is clothing the naked, feeding the hungry, controlling ours tongues, and being no respecter to persons. I can only conclude that I am only saved by faith in Jesus, and that my love for him requires me to love others and to care for them. Beyond that, I would be wary of getting into a works-doctrine.
- Merlin Edmonston Num 6:24 The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:
Num 6:25 The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:
Num 6:26 The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.
Be well, all - Curtis Clark @Yisrael Dotme: You don't follow Torah. It's not very wise to brag about a law that you don't keep. Since you keep 1 of the Sabbaths(7th day), I assume you keep ALL the Sabbaths right? eg Sabbath year and Jubilee(Sabbath of Sabbaths)? Shall we open up the book of Leviticus and see how far you can get before you realize how miserably you fail? What is the name of your Levite High Priest and what Temple is he using?
- Tracy Payne Buford You also claim to follow the 10 Commandments but I BET you don't keep this one as NONE of us do and if you say you do, then you need to examine yourself closer. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
- Joe Austin Chambless "...why compellest the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?"
Galatians 2:14-21
14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. - Chris Smith wow look what mike got started ha ha .. got everbody fighting like demos and republicans
- Yisrael Dotme Hi Joe, thank you for your reply. It is important to remember that Messiah did not come with a new set of guidelines and instructions, He came doing the works of our Father (Torah) and teaching us to do the same. His doctrine was not His own, but His who sent Him (John 7:16, John 14:10-11, John 10:37-38, John 12:49-50). Would it really make sense for Him to live one way in perfect unity with the Father's Word, tell us to follow in His footsteps, and then in reality expect us to do something entirely different? Of course not.
In Matthew 5:17-19, Yeshua told us not even to think for a second that He came to do away with the Torah or the Prophets -- He came to "pleroo", meaning "fully preach". In the next verse, He goes on to tell us that until the two witnesses pass away (heaven and earth from Deuteronomy 30:19), not the least stroke of a pen will pass away from the Torah until ALL is fulfilled. Heaven and earth have not yet passed away (Revelation 21:1), and ALL has certainly not been fulfilled as we await His second-coming.
Yeshua was the Word made flesh, so He obviously understood that love is the very heartbeat of the Torah. He explains this when He gave a beautiful summary of it in Matthew 22:40 -- all of the Torah is supported by love, loving our Creator and loving one another. It's all about love, but it is important to follow YHWH's protocol when attempting to show Him love (1 John 2:3-6).
When Scripture speaks of the importance of "works" to accompany and complete our faith, it is one thing only -- Torah obedience. Faith without works is dead (James 1:22, James 2:14-26), and it is called lawlessness.
I pray that you will continue to search these things out, brother. There are enormous blessings found in obedience to the Father's Word, and it's the whole duty of mankind (Ecclesiastes 12:13). - Kevin Konrady Pastor Mike is doing a drive by. He'll stop if everyone stops arguing.http://youtu.be/CZB6WXDuM1g
- Debbie Knapp U can't keep the law at least not all of it and the scripture says all Jesus is the way the truth and the life His Blood covered it all done stop trying to diminish that by changing ur name and the tearing up half the Bible ...
- Curtis Clark Again Yisrael, do you follow Torah? No you don't and can't. Deut.16:2,5,16 says Passover (v16 feast of weeks and feast of tabernacles) MUST be kept in the place YHWH chose once he chose it when the Israelites entered the promised land(also see 2 Chronicles 30:21). 2 Chronicles 6:6 says YHWH chose Jerusalem. Therefore, you must go to Jerusalem 3 times a year(like Jesus did) in order to be Torah compliant. Also, you have no Temple to sacrifice the Passover lamb. Passover is not a Sabbath or feast, the Passover is the sacrifice made of the lamb or goat. That sacrifice MUST now be made in Jerusalem by the High Priest who must be from the Levitical priesthood. No Levitical Priesthood=no atonement for you. Do you tithe 10% of your assets to the Levitical priesthood? When was the last time you built a booth for your family to live in for 1 week?
- Yisrael Dotme Hi Debbie, remember that Yeshua did not keep all of the Torah. Some instructions are for women only, others are for Priests, others for men, and some require that a specific protocol is followed (there must be a Temple, for example). The Father expects us to do the very best that we can given our present-day circumstances, and whenever we goof up and fall short, grace is there to catch us.
Try as I might, I don't follow your line of thinking that those of us who live by the whole Word (not just the last 1/3) are "tearing up half the Bible". Perhaps you can help me to better understand what you are trying to say here. As far as your accusation that one is "diminishing" Messiah's blood by following His example and living in obedience to His example -- that argument is a total non-starter and is not supported in the very least by Scripture. Your statement is actually the exact opposite of the testimony provided by the Word...
Hebrews 10:26-28 "For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. Anyone who has rejected Moses law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?"
Shalom... - Tom Jones Lord you can not start a fire without a spark. Oh Lord grant me the privilege to be that spark.
Psalm 78:4 - Joe Austin Chambless Yisrael. No. When Jesus talks about the law being fulfilled, he is speaking of his shedding his blood for our sins (Hebrews 9:11-28).
The law brings us knowledge of sin. - Romans 3:20 "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin."
The law shows us that we are sinners and in need of forgiveness via a blood sacrifice. Without the shedding of blood there is no remission for sins. - (Hebrews 9:22)
Jesus' shedding of blood on the cross fulfilled and satisfied the law. - Hebrews 9:12 "Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us."
Jesus is the mediator of the "new testament" and redeemed us from the transgressions that were "under the first testament." - Hebrews 9:15 "And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance."
Jesus did not do away with the law, he fulfilled it. - Matthew 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."
The way for believers to fulfill the law is to follow Jesus' example and love one another:
Romans 13:8
"Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law."
Romans 13:10
"Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."
Galatians 5:14
"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."
Or, in Jesus' own words:
John 13:34
"A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another."
John 13:35
"By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another."
John 15:12
"This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you."
John 15:17
"These things I command you, that ye love one another."
Why do people always want to add something to the gospel of Christ? They will say, "Yes, you need the blood of Christ to be saved, but after that, you must do something more." Thereby attempting to put a yoke of bondage on you. - Acts 15:10 "Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?"
And a second witness is found in Galatians 5:1-4
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Then, after Jesus had risen, he visited his disciples:
Luke 24:44-47
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. - Coralee Burgess I don't know about any of you but the God I worship, Jesus, knows how to speak in every tongue, he should he made them, so until I hear otherwise I'll stick to the "english" KJV, and allow God to speak to me through scripture. Jesus Christ became the sacrifice for sin, through him we are saved! PERIOD
- Adrian James Robinson AMEN JOE!!! I like your screen name (Yisrael dotme) " I WILL DIE BEFORE I LIVE IN FEAR " (ALL CAPS) and yes Im shouting this out. Praise JESUS CHRIST and his GRACE that he has shown me and you...
- Michael Boling As someone who has watched a number of sermons by Jim Staley and others in the HRM who earnestly believe Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life, I am a bit appalled at the lack of understanding of what individuals such as Jim Staley stand for. Is he teaching a return to Pharisaical teachings where everyone must go around stoning others for committing adultery and that women must be removed from the city during the monthly time of uncleanliness? Of course not and for those who assert that is what keeping the Torah is about are quite misguided.
So let's take a quick walk through scripture to see what it means to keep the Torah. Torah by its very definition means instructions or commandments. So when God instructs His people, whether that was Israel or whether that includes NT believers, we should pay attention to what is being stated. Why? Let's look at a passage such as Psalm 19:7 and I will quote it in the KJV for those committed to that version of Scripture: "The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple." Pretty clear is it not? The law, literally the Torah of God is perfect, converting the soul. Let's stop right there. Is this a passage about "getting saved?" Not entirely. What does this perfect Torah of God do for us? It is the testimony of the Lord, literally the revelation of His word to us converts or restores or causes us to return to being mature instead of being wise. What is this maturity that we return to? The maturity of relationship with God that was lost as a result of sin.
What does the entirety of Scripture describe or point towards? That which was promised in Genesis 3:15, that which was established in the eternal covenant of salvation prior to the foundation of the world, the coming of the Messiah. What does the Torah of God, the biblical feasts, and the entirety of history point towards? The Messiah! Does Jesus ever state we are no longer to keep the commands of God and that since we are in the "dispensation of grace" that His commands are no longer valid? Remember when are speaking of the law (the Torah), this is not specifically and only confined to the ceremonial and purification laws. What we are talking about is what Jesus stated in Matthew 22:37-40, again in the KJV: "Jesus replied: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." What did Jesus say here? All of God's Torah (law) and all the words of the prophets, a Hebrew way of saying all of what God revealed to us in His word revolves around loving God and loving others. Did Jesus say we are not required to love God and love others? Of course not.
What else does Scripture say. Jesus tells us in John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments." Keep my what? My commandments, the Torah of God which is loving God and loving others which was established in the Torah and the prophets and reiterated in the NT. What did the Apostle John tells us in I John 5:3: "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous." I actually like that rendition in the KJV, namely the Torah of God is not grievous or burdensome. Do we obey God's Torah so we can be saved? No and this is not what people like Jim Staley are stating in anyway, shape, or form. We obey God because we love Him out of our thankfulness for the grace bestowed on us at the cross.
So when someone such as Jim Staley or another HRM individual who is committed to the gospel of Jesus Christ, namely salvation through faith in the shed blood of the Lamb at the cross, states we should not celebrate Easter or Christmas because they are rooted in pagan idolatry, those who are familiar with Pastor Hoggard's ministry should have their ears perk up because he has stated the same thing time and time again. Why should we pay attention to the biblical feasts? Our of ceremonial ritual and in order to become all Jewish so we can get saved? Of course not! We should understand them because they are God's prophetic timeline. We should understand them because they are the feasts of the Lord to be observed forever. Sorry folks, we will still celebrate Passover in Heaven. How can I say that? Look at Revelation 5:12: "Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and praise!” Notice in that passage we will also celebrate the feast of Unleavened Bread for the Lamb's body was broken on our behalf. Does that mean we will slaughter a lamb and hide the matzah in the house? Of course not. It means we remember and notice the flow of prophetic history as revealed in God's word, through His covenants with us and through the biblical feasts.
This is what it means to return to our roots. This is what it means to understand Scripture from a Hebraic point of view. Some feel led in the HRM movement to celebrate the biblical feasts and that is a wonderful thing. People like Jim Staley do not lord it over others because they observe these feasts. They do so because it brings Scripture that much more in focus. Going through a Passover Seder will only help someone see how Jesus is the Passover Lamb. Understanding the Festival of Sukkot (Tabernacles) will only help someone see how God desires relationship with His people and how He will once again, when the bridegroom returns, tabernacle with us.
That is what Hebrew roots is all about my friends. Some call it a cult and quite frankly there are some in that movement who take things too far. Should we damn an entire movement because of a few bad eggs? Perhaps the entire Baptist denomination should be damned and called a cult because of the few bad eggs along the way. That of course is ridiculous. So it is valid to point out where people have gone astray. It is not valid to misinterpret what the Law (the Torah) of God means for us. It is what guides us, it is a light to our feet, and it is what points us to the reality that we need a Savior. Again, this is not about becoming all Pharsaical and smashing those bowls when they have mold on them. It is about understanding how God's word calls us to love Him and love others. It is a call to start at the front of the book and move forward, understanding how God reveals Himself through His covenants with man and how these covenants find their completion in the Renewed marriage covenant the elect have with Christ at the cross as his bride. Will you wash yourselves daily in the water of the Torah of God, His word as declared in Ephesians 5:26: "That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word." This is what we are to be doing as the bride of Christ.
So before anyone goes denouncing the HRM movement, it would be profitable to look at what returning to our roots means and to understand what people like Jim Staley are saying when they use that type of phrase. I cannot speak for all of those in the HRM, but I know that someone like Jim Staley, who by the way is speaking God's word in the same metropolitan area as Pastor Hoggard, is committed to salvation by faith in Christ's shed blood alone. He is just calling us, and rightly so, to understand Bible things in Bible ways meaning understanding Scripture in the Hebraic point of view, not in the Greek philosophical mindset that so often plagues churches today. - Adrian James Robinson Use the puzzle pieces god has given you, see which ones fit to complete that beautiful picture...HIS NAME
- Adrian James Robinson honest to god that last comment i made, the holy spirit was talking thru me. i had no recognition of your puzzle on your facebook page before this comment. strange indeed my friend. i got goosebumbs lol dont u love that feeling??
- Brian Wilson If I wanted to be subject to the law as a new testament believer I would literally have to throw out and disregard the whole book of Romans and Hebrews. The law is our school master it is meant to teach us that we cannot follow it therefore we need Jesus and His grace.
- Debbie Knapp Mike its a cult you are involved with a following yhst is leading you away from Jesus and His Blood
- Debbie Knapp I understand thr so called movement well its history and all its teachers I suggest u grt back to Jesus
- Michael Boling Where does the NT ever say the law is no longer in effect? It certainly declares out inability to keep the law which is of course why we needed the perfect Lamb who was capable of doing that. Romans and Hebrews merely note that Christ's sacrifice atoned for our sins, that which the OT sacrificial system points to and is a foreshadowing of. Does God ever say in the OT that sacrifices will be forever? Of course not. Does it command us to obey God's commands to us meaning those commands that govern how we are to love God and love others, that which Jesus himself declared define the entire Torah? Yes it does.
You are likely referring to Galatians 3:24-27 which states "So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian. So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ."
Does Scripture ever state we are justified by the law? No it does not. What was Abraham justified by? Romans 4:3 states "“Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” So it has always been faith that brings us to a right relationship with God. How do we understand what a right relationship with God entails? Through His word, His Torah, His commandments to us. How do we know that lying is a sin, that we should not commit adultery, and that coveting is wrong? By reading God's word. This is His law for us.
What does Galatians 3 really mean, that we are no longer under any law and thus can sin all the more that grace may increase? Paul clearly denounced that approach. In order to understand the purpose of the law and the continuing purpose of the law we must understand what the curse of the law actually means. What is the curse of the law then? The curse is the condemnation that happens to those who cannot keep all aspects of God's law. That of course brings physical and spiritual death. Thus there was the need for sacrifices to atone for sin. Christ is our perfect sacrifice who perfectly atones for our sin making the sacrificial and priestly system no longer needed as Christ is the perfect Lamb and the perfect priest who mediates before God for us. Does that abrogate the law? Of course not. We are still required to obey God because that is what Scripture defines as what it is to love God and to demonstrate faith in action. We are no longer under the curse of the law meaning the penalty for not keeping all of its mandates. It does not mean we should not be holy as God is holy, a repeated commandment throughout Scripture. Striving to live as God commands is not a works based righteousness or a cultish fad. It is what God commands us, as the bride of Christ to do. We should do so out of love and thankfulness for what was accomplished at the cross. - Michael Boling Debbie Knapp - I do not attend a Messianic Jewish congregation; however, I am quite familiar with what individuals such as Jim Staley teach. As with any denomination, movement or congregation, there are things people get right and things they get wrong. I appreciate much of what Jim Staley states as it is the proper way of approaching Scripture. How do we properly understand Scripture and the biblical drama presented in Scripture? How do we understand how God has worked with and is working with mankind? Do we jump to the end of the book? No! We begin at the front and work our way forward to properly understand the flow of Scripture. What is that flow of Scripture? It all points to Jesus from beginning to end. So this call to "get back to Jesus" in a way suggests that understanding why God made an everlasting covenant with Israel and why God established the law is somehow unimportant. It presents a rather odd approach that somehow grace was initiated at the cross when in actuality grace has been existent from the very beginning. In fact, it was by God's grace He established the eternal covenant of redemption in eternity past. So this dichtomy of Scripture being divided into works and grace is a rather incorrect approach. All of Scripture is a demonstration of God's grace towards humanity. We do good works out of our thankfulness for that grace. We act out of faith in response to the cross and we should strive to be obedient to God (works) as any child would in respect and obedience to their parents.
We should understand the covenants God made in Scripture and the biblical feasts because that is how God operates. If we are going to "return to Jesus" then we should understand how Jesus has fulfilled those covenants and how he will fulfill those covenants and feasts for that matter. Viewing history from a dispensational or covenant theology perspective introduces into the biblical timeline things that are quite foreign to how God has, currently and will operate. So getting back the roots of Scripture is once again not about a cultish endeavor to work our way to heaven or to be Pharisaical about our approach to Scripture or a call to become Jewish. Those within the HRM that are committed to God's word and what God has instructed us to do in His word also clearly note salvation is through faith in Christ alone. Good works do not and can never save. Why people are afraid of the word Torah is beyond me. Perhaps it is the impression that Torah means law in the sense pronounced by the Pharisees. That could not be further from the truth. Why would Scripture declare God's Torah as perfect if it should not be adhered to? Is there some flaw in God's commands? No there is not. The flaw is in us and that flaw is covered by the blood of the Lamb, namely our sin nature we constantly battle against. The law instructs us in the sense that it points out where we are falling short of being obedient to God so we can bring such areas under the subjection of God.
"In order to be saved one must first understand that he has broken God's perfect law and is condemned because of his sin to eternal destruction away from the presence of almighty God (Duet 11:28, Rom 6:23). He must then accept the blood of Yeshua/Jesus over the door posts of his heart and believe that outside the death, burial and resurrection of Yeshua there is no other way for salvation."
"We DO NOT believe that keeping the Torah is required for salvation, but is only a living proof that we love Him (I John 5:2-3)"
Through His death, Yeshua took over the High priesthood and because of His perfect blood sacrifice, His Father would be forever satisfied and man would always now have the ability to come into the presence of Almighty Yahweh (Heb 9:11-12) through the blood of the lamb."
(Direct quotes from the Passion for Truth Ministries statement of beliefs)
I would challenge you to compare those statements of belief to any solid bible teaching church you can think of. Again, I am not a member of a Messianic congregation. In fact, I attend an independent Christian Church, independent meaning not connected to a specific denomination, not independent meaning the church I attend feels it can do whatever it wants. So I affirm the need to return to our biblical roots, to understand Scripture from a Hebraic perspective, to engage the original languages, to understand the Hebraic culture, to understand the flow of Scripture from beginning to end for that is what sound biblical exegesis is all about. - Debbie Knapp THE ORIGINAL PRONUNCIATION OF THE TETRAGRAMMATON CAN BE DETERMINED WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY.
Many sacred name teachers believe and very vocally teach that unless one uses the Hebrew name and only the Hebrew name for God, he or she will be eternally damned. It should be noted that not all sacred name teachers are so dogmatic.
While this exclusive view is taken by most SN teachers, they themselves do not know the original Hebrew pronunciation of God's name. They admit as much by the variety of names used within the movement and by individuals repeatedly changing the name they hold sacred. By some sacred name people, our Creator is called Yah Veh, Yahh, Yahweh, Iahueh, Yahwah, and Yaohu. By others he is spoken of as Yahuwah, Yahuah, and more than a score of even less likely names.
Jesus is called Yahshua by most sacred name folks. But, more and more are beginning to use Yahushua. By some he is called Yasha, by some Yeshua, by some Yaohushua, by some Y'shua, by some Iahushua, by others Yehoshua, YAHVAHSHUA, and even Yhwhhoshua.
Confusion!
Error! - Debbie Knapp THE BIBLE, AS WE HAVE IT, IS A CORRUPTED DOCUMENT AND SACRED NAME TEACHERS ARE ABLE TO REPAIR IT.
A Bible revision made by any religious group is certainly one of the more interesting aspects for study of that movement. Mormons have their Holy Scriptures, Inspired Version made by Joseph Smith. Jehovah's Witnesses have The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures, a Watch Tower publication.
That people within the sacred name movement, in spite of its small size, have made nearly a dozen Bible revisions is cause for an especially deep concern. Perhaps the concern is more an inverse awe. What mental processes have their leaders gone through as they came to the point of willingness to make their own bible? Is their teaching sufficiently different that it cannot be found in the more conventional Bible translations? Have they concluded that they are already isolated from other groups to such an extent that the stigma attached to revising their own Bible will not isolate them further? Is the purpose perhaps to exacerbate such isolation? How have they come to believe that God has singled them out to give to the world the corrected Word of God? - Debbie Knapp THE NEW TESTAMENT WAS ORIGINALLY WRITTEN IN HEBREW
One of the most absurd of the claims made by sacred name movement teachers is that the complete New Testament was originally written in the Hebrew language. Nothing could be further from the truth. This claim is made without so much as a shred of empirical evidence. Even so, such an untenable position is thrust upon these teachers as necessary to support the primary doctrine of the movement.
In truth, the New Testament was originally written in Greek. Paul, Peter, James, John, Luke, and others wrote the name of our Savior in a language not Hebrew. If these men were permitted, inspired even, to write the name in Greek, we are also permitted to write and speak the name in our native language. The historical fact is this: the New Testament was written in Greek. Therefore, the doctrine of the Hebrew only sacred name is made invalid. This conclusion will be reached by even the most casual thinker who has the facts at his or her disposal. Therefore, sacred name movement teachers are compelled to fight a futile battle against an obviously original Greek New Testament. - Adrian James Robinson cant explain the feeling, i always felt i was on the right path, but still felt lost. like i forgot something before i even started my journey. dont think i could have found Jesus(the truth) AS FAST as i did if it wasnt for pastor Michael W Hoggard, thank you brother for reminding me to throw on my seatbelt before the crash. and thank you Jesus for showing me how IGNORANT I REALLY WAS. I pray you show the same love to evry1 amen!!
- Debbie Knapp JESUS SPOKE THE NAME YAHWEH
One of the keystone doctrines of the sacred name movement is that our Savior preached and taught the name Yahweh to the Jewish people of his time. One or another sacred name group may say Jesus taught one or another of the numerous possible English transliterations of YHWH. Numbers of sacred name people believe the primary mission of Jesus was bringing the name Yahweh to the world.
It is supposed that the Messiah spoke this name often to the Jewish people, taught the importance and pronunciation of this name to his followers, said it and read it when he referred to the Old Testament, and used this name when he addressed God. Sacred name teachers boldly assert that Jesus was arrested, tried, and killed because He said the name Yahweh. Are these claims true? Did Jesus ever once utter the name Yahweh? Sacred name teachers gamely admit that according to what is written in the Holy Scriptures He did not. However, they believe the Scriptures are wrong. - Debbie Knapp THE NAME JESUS ETYMOLOGICALLY DERIVES FROM THE NAME ZEUS.
A long held and regularly used false teaching among more than half of sacred name movement assemblies and individuals is that the Greek word for Jesus means son of Zeus or has a meaning otherwise connected with or derived from the word Zeus. There are a number of variations on this fanciful teaching, a favorite being that Jesus means Healing Zeus. It is especially sad to see sacred name converts, who have no idea of the source of their information, promoting this error.
In spite of the fact that the teaching cannot be backed by research, many in the movement believe it simply has to be true. The teaching is purely and simply a lie, a fabrication. This falsehood began in the teachings of some of the pioneer preachers of the movement. It continues among preachers and teachers who are movers and shakers in the movement today. This doctrine and its continued propagation epitomize other false teachings of the sacred name movement. Even after it has time and again been proven false, many still cling to it. - Debbie Knapp 1. "There is no other name given under heaven amongst men by which we must be saved"
2. Jesus is the name of the Messiah in English, this we know for certain. Y'shua is a Hebrew equivalent as is Yoshua... but YAHShua? Never heard if him... it is neither English nor Greek nor even Hebrew, it is an invention of Americans who came out of sect of the Christian Church... a sect that rejects the very religion it came from as being pagan.
3. Paul preached the unknown G-d and never once during that sermon mentioned the name of G-d, how was anyone saved?
4. You do not know the name of the redeemer so by your own doctrine you are condemned
5. You do not know the person of the redeemer because you practice unrighteous judgment based on your own false understanding of the name of G-d therefore according to the Living Torah as given by Y'shua himself, you are a stone white sepulcher full of dead men's bones. Repent of your sins and come to Messiah... learn of the person through his Word (Davar) and his Ruach (Spirit) and you shall receive the FREE GIFT of Salvation - Debbie Knapp Titus 1:14. Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
Fact: The Old testament was written in Hebrew for the chosen Jewish Nation. The New Testament was written in Greek where the partition between Jew's and Gentiles was broken down so we could all become one new man in Christ.
Back in the early eighties not long after we left the established church, Don Stanton of Maranatha Revival Crusade was a dear brother in Christ we came to respect and receive much encouragement from, even sharing in our home and supplying much of our literature for witnessing and growth. After being such a blessing to my wife and myself, along with our friends, I became very alarmed when his ministry took a turn towards Judaism when he switched to substituting and teaching Hebraic names for many important biblical names, along with a passion for following Jewish feasts and customs as part of our Christian faith. He even re-wrote the Bible replacing our Saviour's name with Hebraic equivalents and today is entrenched in something our Lord Jesus came to set us free from.
This following three part article is written in response to this tragedy, along with the many people who have e-mailed me in recent months, trying to persuade myself over to the Hebrew Roots Camp. Generally I have found these people to be varied in their opinions in regards to doctrine; some moderate (scripturally still believing in the Trinity) and others into complete heresy omitting the name Jesus Christ entirely from their faith.
The sincere majority of these people have used the gentle diplomatic approach in their argument to win us across, whereas a few others have been aggressive, and down-right rude and even abusive, when we wouldn't skip to their tune. On all occasions have I found them very persistent, rabbinic centred, and usually attacking the holy name of our Lord Jesus Christ one way or another.
An in-depth study will prove the teachers who are fanatically entrenched into this movement are deliberately discrediting, tainting, and replacing the precious name of our Saviour, and attempting to lead bible believing Christians out of Christianity - Michael Boling You are confusing the Sacred Name Movement with the Hebrew Roots Movement my friend. I agree the Sacred Name Movement is ridiculous and their teachings are absurd. That is not what returning to a Hebraic mindset is all about or what those in the Hebrew Roots movement, at least those committed to teaching that salvation is through faith in Christ alone. That is not what someone like Jim Staley and Passion for Truth Ministries is focused on at all as evidenced by the quotes I provided from their statement of beliefs. If you have ever listened to any sermon of his you will note he uses the name Jesus, Yeshua, Messiah, ecclesia, church, etc. but never declares one has to call Jesus as Yeshua or risk God's wrath or that by not "properly" pronouncing or spelling Yeshua in a certain way is akin to taking the Lord's name in vain.
So try not to lump everything into one pot by calling it all a cult meaning equating the Sacred Name Movement with those in the Hebrew Roots movement. Do some ministries cross over between the two? It is likely. There will be some in the Hebrew Roots movement who will take things too far. That is what happens when it comes to sinful people which we all are. It is why we should not be following men around as if we are their disciples. We are to be the disciples of one Teacher, and that is God and we are commanded not to obey the teachings of Pastor Hoggard, Jim Staley, Albert Mohler, or any other teacher. We are commanded to obey the law of God in all aspects.
I am not sure where you are cutting and pasting or getting the above quotes from; however, they are not from any Hebrew Roots ministry that has any validity to it or any dedication to the things of God or His word. Hebrew Roots means just that, namely understanding Scripture from a Hebraic perspective, not playing silly word games. Understanding the original languages is merely a tool to understand what was being relayed in God's word in those original languages. - Adrian James Robinson u know personally im just now realizing that im the badguy 4real. im living as a sinner and continue to live in sin...shamefully. im sorry i failed in the works department and if im not telling the truth...then i know i will be sorry. only god can judge me and i know he will do it right
- Adrian James Robinson i was always angry. for what? i dont know? ive lost anger and found love no homo lol
- Adrian James Robinson if thats not faith than honestly i dont know what is? than im still lost but the grace is still there and i want to change badly but i cannot without your help...this choice is a hard one and iam to weak to take on such a task.
- Carl Stoakes ? To solve this HRM controversy.. Perhaps a dispensational approach may be in order to undesrtand the difference between the church & Isreal. Israel is presently set asid untril the fulness of the gentiles are saved. God's will in the Age of Grace is to bring in the Bride of Christ by saving all who will come to Christ from both Jew & Gentile. After the rapture , in the Tribulation, & Millenium, God will retore Temple worship & Jews saved out of tribulation will become priests unto the descendents of gentile survivors from Trib. HRM may have proper theology.. but in a wrong time. We are still in church age. ?? Any thoughts or convictions ???????????
- Matt Grogan I've yet to see the dispensationalist approach be proven from scripture alone...it always seems to rely on "what ifs" and "maybes". The separating of how Adonai's expectations for us with regard to our obedience to Him into different time periods involves a lot of reading into the text and assumptions.
Such an approach also requires ignoring verses such as the test for a false speaker in Deuteronomy 13 (e.g. if Yeshua and/or Paul were actually advocating the disregarding of any of the Torah instructions, they would have to be treated as false speakers and rejected, if Deut 13:1-5 was expected to be obeyed as given).
And Amos 3:7 would make no sense, given that nowhere in the "old testament" do we read about a different "dispensation" arriving in the future where some or all of the Torah instructions are all of a sudden "no longer relevant for our obedience": "Surely Adonai YHVH does nothing unless He reveals His counsel To His servants the prophets". Dispensationalists openly admit that their theory was "hidden" from the prophets.
Treating the "church" as separate from Israel is problematic in light of verses like Ephesians 2:12-13 that show we are now adopted "citizens within Israel" and now part of the covenants (plural - Abrahamic and Mosaic) once we start following Yeshua as the Messiah of Israel. (The common assumption that "Israel only means Jews" can't be sustained in light of the numerous verses such as Numbers 15:15 and Joshua 8:30-35.). Yeshua's words about "building His Church" to Peter can equally be interpreted as "rebuilding His assembly".
And it doesn't take into account the way Matthew 5:17 should be understood as "“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fully preach them."
If we were to be consistent with the way that most people understand "fulfill" to (in practice) mean "make no longer applicable", instead of "fully preached" - then Romans 15:19 would read: "...in the power of signs and wonders, in the power of the Spirit; so that from Jerusalem and round about as far as Illyricum I have [made no longer relevant] the gospel of Messiah. - Michael Boling A dispensational approach is quite often what causes the most confusion. As noted by Matt, it is really a theologically inconsistent manner in which to approach Scripture. Understanding Scripture from the perspective of covenants and God's prophetic timeline in relation to the biblical feasts is a far better approach. Darby's dispensations are rather foreign to Scripture.
- Linda Cano Tomás Just food for thought.. I started to turn from sin when I stopped trying to follow the law and simply let the Holy Spirit recreate me anew. Sure, I still sin, but not only do I sin only a wee fraction of what I used to, I am a vastly different person to know credit of my own, because I couldn´t change me, only God could.
Stop trying to become holy and let God himself make you holy. It works and I can say it´s nothing short of a miracle.
I do not follow the law, because I cannot follow the whole of the law. Recognizing that Jesus and Jesus alone could do it, accepting that he willingly did it for me.. recognizing that there was no way for me to ever keep the law, or pay the sin debts I had already accumilated in the past.. I let go, turned to God and said I give up, I´m yours.. guide me, guide my life.. and he changed me.
I wish that miracle for everyone.. I now know what it means to be free.. Sin doesn´t have me chained anymore.. my mind and my heart slowly become more and more a citizen of the Kingdom of Heaven, and out of place here in earthly kingdom. - Michael Boling Freedom is freedom from the curse of the law, namely death for those who cannot, which is everyone, follow all of its commands. Christ paid the curse of the law. That by no means implies the law is not to be followed. You state you have turned to God to be the guide to your life. That is awesome. Where does God state wisdom is found? In His word, in His commands and instructions to His people. The Torah of God is perfect. Through the power of the Holy Spirit and the daily washing of yourself in the word, yes that includes His Torah, His instructions to His people, the process of sanctification can occur. It is not a "whilly nilly" process where one can dispense of God's instructions to us. It is God's instructions that we are to live by knowing of course we will fail. The curse of death that failure to obey the fullness of the law requires is something we are no longer under. That does not mean the law is no longer in effect. Otherwise, lawlessness would ensue, something Scripture from beginning to end warns against.
- Curtis Clark @Mike Boling: The Bible says God writes the laws of the New Covenant on our hearts-Jer31:31-34. We receive the Spirit and this is who convicts us of sin and causes us to turn and believe in Jesus and walk in his commandments-Eze36:25-27. Jesus said "If you love me, keep my commandments."-John14:15. When we open up the NT we see all of Jesus' commandments. The Old Covenant was not given to Gentiles but ONLY Israel(Psa147:19-20,Jer31:31-32) and the New Covenant which is better replaces the Old Covenant-Hebrews ch.8. Some are still blinded when they read the Law of Moses and can't receive the Gospel of faith in Christ because they are blinded by the veil- 2Cor3:13-18. This is not a teaching for everyone; just those who believe the whole Bible.
- Adrian James Robinson I will show my true ego, and take off the mask. I only where it to protect the ones I LOVE.
- Mike Humphrey see if this helps anyone - The Law was in effect right up to the moment Jesus Died on the cross. with that the veil was rent and ended the old Covenant 3 days later Jesus rose from the dead and a new covenant of grace and faith was made with all of man not just the jew. I'm sure others can give you the scripture to prove this, I just hate seeing Gods people at odds over Jesus and what he means for all mankind. God bless you all - I would give you the scripture but I'm watching Bristol right now oh ya.
- Carl Stoakes The Moral Law of the 10 Commandments ..except for the Sabbath.. are reiterated by the Apostle Paul.. the apostle of God to me..a former gentile transformed into a New Creation in Christ through to NEW BIRTH. Before the law was given.. Murder was still wrong (Cain.Abel..Moses &Egtptian)..Stealing Adultry (Pharoh & Abraham's wife), Coveatousnes (Lot). Believers today are free from the Jewish Cerimonial Laws.
- Mike Humphrey one thing the law (10 commandments) still there but wrote in our mind and on our hearts not in stone!
- Mike Humphrey until the veil is lifted from the Hebrew believers it will be a continuous battle or the Lord Jesus calls us.
- Adrian James Robinson Ever wonder why the BBC channel speaks to your soul and not your flesh? ive never seen mary shellys frankenstein (1994) i think today jesus is droping some hard knowledge aqnd showing me tuff love... there is a necessary evil.
- Michael Boling @Curtis Clark - Let's actually look a bit closer at Jeremiah 31 to see what it says:
"31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."
Notice verse 31 which says this was to be a new covenant, not new in the sense of something totally unlike what came before but a refreshing or renewal of God's covenant. Also notice who that covenant was to be made with - Israel and Judah. This creates a bit of a pickle for the dispensationalist who attempts to lay claim to that passage being for the "church" when God said He would make this covenant with Israel and Judah. So when was this prophecy fulfilled? It was fulfilled in Acts 2 at the Feast of Shavuot, more commonly known as Pentecost. What was that festival all about? It was all about remembering the giving of the Torah at Mt. Sinai. So was God writing a new law on the hearts of His people? Now He was not. He was writing His law not on tablets of stone anymore but in the very hearts of His people which by the way was what He desired all along. Remember Deut. 6:5 which states "And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." Notice loving the Lord with your heart is included there. How does Scripture declare we demonstrate our love for God? John 14:15 states "If ye love me, keep my commandments." What is that word for commandments? They are the commands, precepts and instructions given in God's word.
//This is not a teaching for everyone; just those who believe the whole Bible.// Clever attempt at stating that those who believe God's word should be obeyed in its entirety do not believe the whole Bible or at least it comes across as such. Did Jesus every abrogate anything in the OT when it comes to outlining how we should love God and love others? I am not talking about ceremonial or sacrificial laws here. I am speaking of what which Jesus said sums up the entire Torah and the prophets which is again a euphemism for all of God's word. He did not. He merely reiterated what God had been stating all along.
So what do we have? Covenants in the Old Testament that are no longer valid? That would be impossible for God's covenants, meaning his unconditional covenants are never broken nor do they cease. What is the new covenant made with man at the cross? It is a marriage covenant, a betrothal covenant. The "New Testament" is literally the berit chadashah, the cutting of a covenant. That covenant was cut through the shed blood of Christ. It is the continuation of what God has been doing all along in history in an increasing level, that of wooing His people back to relationship with their Creator. It is a constant act of grace. This act of grace is not something that suddenly came into play in the New Testament as if the Old Testament was all works and the New Testament is all grace. It has always been about grace. God bestowed His grace towards Adam and Eve by not striking them dead on the spot. He made a sacrifice to cover their nakenedness and sin. It has always been about faith. Abraham was a man of faith, David was a man of faith, Noah was a man of faith. Faith is not a New Testament phenomenon. Those men of old had faith in what was to come and out of that faith they acted in obedience to that faith. On this side of the cross, we place our faith in what has come, namely the Passover Lamb of God. It is still and will always be about grace and faith. It still and will always be about renewal and restoration of that which was lost.
At Pentecost in Acts 2, God poured out His Holy Spirit on His people Israel to once again do that which God had promised and covenanted through Abraham, namely that all the people of the earth would be blessed. Those who accept God's free gift through the sacrifice of His on on the cross are indeed no longer under the curse of the law, that of death. Thankfully, we have been grafted in to those covenant promises made to Israel and Judah so that we too might have God's law written on our hearts. As the bride of Christ, we are commanded to be holy as He is holy. That is a command that has not been done away with. We understand what right and wrong is through what God has outlined in His Torah, His commands to us for proper and righteous living.
Do not be afraid of the word Torah folks. It is not a Pharisaical term as defined in Scripture. It is what helps us, through the Holy Spirit, to understand what it means to love God and love others. Running away from His commands is what Scripture describes as lawlessness. Do any of us as the bride of Christ desire to not love our bridegroom and to not do what is pleasing to him, namely by demonstrating our love for the bridegroom by being obedient to the Father's commands?
Think about it! - Adrian James Robinson its hell when they dont listen or hear me as if im mel gibson in conspiracy theory. ive been unplugged, unhooked from adaptors, no longer MISJUDGED THIS IS A WHOLE NEW CHAPTER, lets rewrite history!! I will never forget my ancestors and the story. LONG LIVE NIKOLA TESLA. FREE ENERGY. I KNOW WHAT I STAND FOR JESUS IS OUR REAL LANDLORD.
- Adrian James Robinson mike u showed me, now pls be kind enough and let me return the favor. we need eachother we cant keep fighting like this. i wont stand for it.
- Shirley Beaudoin-Palmer Wow it really hurt my brain reading all these post. If all these people were in one room speaking to each other it would be called Bickering. Satan is at work in the minds of the saints and loves nothing more than to see that there is contention and confusion in the believers.
Its simple; read the word, trust in the word, test the word, believe in the promise of salvation that is taught in the word. Stop analyzing someone else's word. That is between them and God. Pray that your mind is clear and your heart is right in the case that you are given the opportunity to witness and show in the scriptures the way to salvation. It would be a shame to damn a soul because you confused them with your rhetoric. God is not going to ask you who had the better argument... He will judge you by...When I was hungry you fed me...When I was cold you clothed me...When I had no shelter you took me in. We are to take care of the widows and orphans... Serve in our communities that the unsaved my SEE Gods Light in your life. They will know you by your works. Too many Christians are not working. They are too caught up in who has a better understanding of the word and will in turn lose their salvation over winning a argument. - Michael Boling I think if we were all in the same room it would be much better actually. We could engage one another with Scripture in hand. God bless! This has been a fruitful discussion I think.
- Shirley Beaudoin-Palmer And it would be better if you wrote the scriptures on little pieces of paper and strapped them to your forehead, that way everyone will know that you know the right words....
- Lynette Largent Here come the false teachers as prophesied, teaching works and heresy, which the scriptures say are a curse and make one fallen from grace and makes the sacrifice of Jesus Christ of no effect for them. This is dangerous stuff!
Mat 24:11 "And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many."
2 Timothy 4:3 "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."
Titus 1:10-16 "For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake. One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work REPROBATE."
2 Peter 2:1 "But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction."
Galatians 5:1-6 "Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the WHOLE LAW. ***Christ is become of no effect unto you,*** whosoever of you are justified by the law; ***ye are fallen from grace.*** For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love."
James 2:8 "If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."
Galatians 3:8-12 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through FAITH, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. For as many as are of the works of the law are ***under the curse:*** for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them."
Galatians 3:22-26 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Hbr 12:24 "And to Jesus the mediator of the NEW COVENANT, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that of] Abel."
Jer 31:32-33 "Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people." <--- this is what happens when we get saved by faith in Jesus as our savior.
John 15:10 "If ye keep MY [Jesus] commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love."
Mark 12:29-31 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
Mat 20:28 "Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many."
Jhn 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
I see the Hebrew Roots Movement and 119 Ministries in the Bible...
Rev 2:9 "I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan." Mat 12:21 "And in his name shall the Gentiles trust."
Rev 3:8-9 "I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee."
There's more in the Word of God, but that should do it. - Lynette Largent The HBR movement is about pride and ego. Anyone thinking that they can do something extra, equates their works with the sacrificial blood of Christ. That's frightening.
Monday, April 15, 2013
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