Wednesday, March 20, 2013

Romans 8:2 posted on the banner to take it out of context

Romans 8:2
King James Version (KJV)
 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Jennifer Bush Turner~I see that you guys have Romans 8 posted on the banner. Let us not take that verse out of context now.........Rom 8:3 For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to deal with sin. He condemned sin in the flesh
Rom 8:4 O THAT THE RIGHTEOUS REQUIREMENT OF THE LAW MIGH BE FULFILLED IN US, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
Rom 8:5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 To set our minds on the flesh leads to death, but to set our minds on the Spirit leads to life and peace.
Rom 8:7 That is why the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile toward God. OR IT REFUSES TO SUBMIT TO THE AUTHORITY OF GOD'S LAW because it is powerless to do so.
Rom 8:8 Indeed, those who are under the control of the flesh NOT PLEASE GOD. 
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  • Jennifer Chambless Jennifer what bible are you using? If you don't mind me asking??
  • 119 Ministries Heresy Exposed by the Word What are the commandments of Jesus? There are two of them. What is the "royal law"?
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  • Jennifer Chambless Should I answer that? LOL 
  • 119 Ministries Heresy Exposed by the Word What is the "perfect law"?
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  • 119 Ministries Heresy Exposed by the Word Jennifer Bush Turner, The mind that is set on the flesh can not accept the finished work of the cross. And does not have 100% faith in Gods Word that it is finished. The fulfillment of the Law has been accomplished by the cross. To obey is to be in the flesh, for the flesh must obey, but it cannot, what about the Spirit? The Spirit knows what's right and leads us in that direction. So now there is the LAW of Love. we Love Jesus because we believe what He has done and accomplished for us. We see our flesh as it is, sinful and corruptible, and we abhor it. And this state of humility and understanding of who and what we really are, is what makes is possible for the Spirit of God to work in and through us, and anything good that comes out of that is of the Lord, not us. We are not responsible for our sin nature, we were born into it. God knows this nature cannot change for it is a law. But when one knows, understand, who they are, and knows and understands what Jesus has done. Oh,, this great love that comes upon us, makes us sorry for our sins, truly sorry, If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
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  • Jennifer Chambless I really wish she would say what bible she is using. Those verses she posted have really twisted God's words. I am so blown away that I don't even know where to start explaining how wrong it is.
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  • 119 Ministries Heresy Exposed by the Word Jennifer......I'm going to guess and say the NET bible.
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Tony Espy~The Banner says it all! Come out of bondage Hebrew Roots/Sacred Name followers.
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  • 119 Ministries Heresy Exposed by the Word MY commandments. And WHAT two commandments did JESUS give us? We speak English around here as does much of the world (God knew that would happen). Mat 12:21 "And in his name shall the Gentiles trust."
  • 119 Ministries Heresy Exposed by the Word True, I forgot about all of those Christians who speak Mandarin.
  • Bobbijo Christiansen but he says all the law and prophets hang on these two.. what does that mean? i thought it meant we are to try to keep the spirit of the law. not that we have to keep it for salvation. but to keep it for love and obedience.. these are the greatest of the commandemtns but they werent the ONLY commandments.. jsut my understanding. ive only really started digging into the new testament. since i was a kid i always read the Red Letters.. i awlays wanted to knwo what Jesus said..
  • Victoria Jenkins 119, you didn't mean that in a bad way, right? re; Christians who speak Mandarin.

Tristian Clark ~Can someone help me understand the banner at the top? I am super new to the Bible. I thought that being free from the "law of sin and death" meant that after the Resurrection, the penalty for sin is no longer death? When we sin, grace catches us now. If that's not what it means (which is what this page seems to say...), then what DOES it mean? Please be nice, I'm new. :-)
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  • You, Cassandra Baldovinos and Crystal Lo Verde like this.
  • Cassandra Baldovinos You understood correctly  I thought the same thing when I saw that.
  • Tristian Clark Someone said "The banner says it all!" earlier, and uh... what does that mean? Lol. The banner says that there's grace now. Yes? Aren't the 119 people in agreement about that?
  • Cynthia Elaine are they talking about ministries that use the old testament law to justify themselves against certain groups? Tristian, are you studying the bible ?!
  • Bobbijo Christiansen i think there is a mix up of people who follow messiah and accept his grace for salvation. but choose to keep the law out of love and obedience. with people who say we must keep the law to be saved. they are 2 different groups but seem to have been lumped together, which is unfortunate, because we all Love messiah. and we are to love our brothers that is the 2nd greatest commandment.. i dont see lots of that going around lately.. i do not believe we keep the torah for salvation. but because he has given me the gift of salvation through grace, i try to keep his instructions.. when i fail he catches me, becauase of that grace.. but i dont rely on the law to save me.. people need to see the difference.. in the end. we LOVE God and Jesus. and so to show that we do what we choose to do...
  • Kimberly Thomen Tristian, the penalty for sin is still death. Jesus paid the price for us. By faith (ours) through grace (His) we have eternal life.
  • 119 Ministries Heresy Exposed by the Word Tristian read Acts 15 ,the same thing that is emerging now was the same problem back then with Jews going to the new gentile church and saying they were not saved unless they kept the law of Moses.This page is trying to warn people against that same thing which is happening,we have just started with 119 ministries as an example.Please be careful when these Hebrew roots people say that they acknowledge that salvation is only through Jesus,although many a time they will not use Jesus they will say Yeshua,but in they same breath say that you should keep the law.So in effect they are talking out of both sides of their mouth.
  • Bobbijo Christiansen but.. there are MANY who choose to keep torah out of love and obedience. who NEVER deny the grace and gift of life from Jesus Messiah.. i dont.. i put his gift of life above all else. i strive to do as he did. walk as he walked. in my oppinion that means keeping sabbath. it is part of the 10 commandments.. i dont believe the new covenant meant not to follow the ten commandments..
  • 119 Ministries Heresy Exposed by the Word First welcome Tristian  I want to start by first of all encouraging you to get a King James Bible if you do not already own one, and read this passage, not just this passage, but before it as well. I say this because early on in ones walk with the Lord I think it's a smart move to look to the Word and rely on the Holy Spirit to lead you. In doing this you familiarize yourself with fellowshipping with the Lord and you learn to be dependent on Him alone. People can get it wrong sometimes, and not everyone who is claims to be a Christian is necessarily being lead of the Spirit. Just saying because you need to beware of false doctrines and if you know the peace and leading of the Spirit and are dependent on that; you will never be lead in a wrong direction. That being said, to answer your question; there are universal laws that have been put in place like gravity for instance. The law of sin and death has come as a result of the fall, it is a law and there is nothing that can be done about this. According to this law, all corruptible flesh cannot ever be in the presence of a Holy God because. The law shines the light on ones conscience to make them aware of how far off from Holiness they truly are. And so one is aware at this point they are guilty of being a sinner, and the wages of sin is death according to the law. Another part of the law states that there is no remission of sin without the shedding of blood. This is a definition of Remission Forgiveness; pardon; that is, the giving up of the punishment due to a crime; as the remission of sins. Matt. 26. Heb. 9. So along comes Christ Jesus, the God-Man and he sheds His pure blood and in doing so we have obtained forgiveness, but only if we believe, it is an act of faith on our parts. Because of the sacrifice of Christ Jesus, He was able to legally make it so we could be free from the punishment of sin which is death. It is written; the only way to please God is by faith not by works. Works cannot legally pay this debt, there is only one way to pay it, and it has been done. So now the law is; that for all who believe and have faith in what Christ has accomplished; to them; through faith in Christ they are free from the law of sin and death. Yes we still sin it is our nature; but through faith and the working of the Holy Spirit in us, we now have conviction of sin, and we can now repent and turn. And now, by the grace of God, He is able to lead us and guide us by our hearts. And so, we may not be perfect in the flesh, but through our childlike faith in what He has done for us, we are saved! Be a child, depend on Him alone and never let a HUMAN sway you. Stand firm on the rock, the solid foundation; which is the Word of God. 
  • Tammy Thomason Krogh We must die a physical death due to sin. But, through the blood of Christ we will live with Him in eternity, IF we believe and proclaim. So happy to hear you are reading the Bible!!!
  • Cassandra Baldovinos You can't have faith alone and no works - also, everything in the NT that the Messiah said, is all from the Torah. Those commands that are said to come from Messiah, are still commands from the Torah. How is keeping the Sabbath as a day of rest to Him, and not eating unclean animals, as well as celebrating the feasts, as memorials to Him, equated with works? 

    James 2:14-18 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. 18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your[a] works, and I will show you my faith by my[b] works. 

    And in the end, we will see that we ARE judged according to works we have done. 

    Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them ACCORDING TO THEIR DEEDS.
  • Tristian Clark Thank you for the welcome! I don't have a KJV, mine is the NASB, I think? I'll see if I can get my hands on one, but I remember I had one of those as a teenager and I found it so much harder to understand.  I wonder if it'll be easier now. Out of curiosity, why the KJV? That was a really good description, thank you for taking the time to answer my question, 119 etc.! I'm not into the New Testament yet in my reading (can't wait to get there!), but I am a little confused about what is so wrong with trying to keep the law... as long as you believe Christ came and died for us, and that we are saved through Him, is there somewhere that says it is WRONG to also hold to the law? Because from what I'm reading so far, God says to keep those laws forever. Like... forever! lol! If I hadn't read this page (and another like it before) I wouldn't have known that some people think it's wrong to follow those rules. And I've seen multiple bits of scripture that identify that sin=breaking the law. So confused! Can't you do both? Believe that Christ came and died for us, but also follow His laws to show obedience?
  • Damon Whitsell Hi Tristian. Since your new to bible study you should be aware that context is absolutely necessary to determine what a verse means and generally you should read at least 20 verses before and after any verse your looking at to determine its meaning. Scripture also talks about rightly dividing the word. That means that on any given subject, everything the bible has to say on that subject must be considered. And on the subject of the "law of sin and death" and why we are free from it would require you to study John, Romans, Hebrews, Galatians, Collasians and almost everything else in the OT and NT.

    I think this video will help you.

    VIDEO DESCRIPTION: This film is a detailed study of the bible about the concept of the Sabbath. As the Sabbath cannot be full understood without a good understanding of the scriptures this film is also a study on the different covenants in the Bible, such as the Abrahamic Covenant and the Mosaic Covenant. This is a study for every Christian, not just people concerned about the Sabbath, as it is the story of the Gospel. I hope it will help you understand the plan of God more and praise Him for His goodness to us.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeqR9K21CVY&feature=share&list=PLdNZuHiudMzQlbvM2HAXnsVlYwa5wjh4K
  • Tristian Clark Ooh, thanks for the video link, Damon! I will watch in a bit after my children go to sleep. That is good advice, about reading so much before and after the verse I'm trying to understand. And wow... it looks like I've really got to get through the whole thing before I can understand this particular one I'm asking about. I was just thinking kind of like Cassandra said above, I'm actually kind of panicking a little bit, because now I don't know what I'm supposed to *do*. Sooo... Jesus saved us, yay! Now what though? It just seems almost shallow, like I'm not supposed to do anything really to show God that I love Him? Up until I saw this page, I thought that's what the laws in the OT were for, to SHOW that you're changed, that you love Him and appreciate Jesus saving us. Panic! lol
  • Damon Whitsell Tristian, you seem to know allot considering you have not even read the NT yet, why is that? Can I ask who have you been taught by? Have you study with 119 ministries? 

    Do you think it is wise to read the OT before the NT? If you will read the NT, it will tell you what the laws in the OT are for. 
  • 119 Ministries Heresy Exposed by the Word You read the Word Tristian and you yield. Allow the Holy spirit to work through you, no need to worry your heart is in the right place. Perfect love casteth out all fear, do not worry about the works they speak of, they misunderstand. The evidence of faith is behavior. If you say I trust in the Lord according to His Word, then the work is that you live it, the work is simply the evidence of the faith. Noah had faith in Gods Word, we know this because he built the ark. If the Lord says something in His Word like....... 5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
    6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
    7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord, and depart from evil.
    The evidence of your faith in Gods Word is that you trust Him, His Word and the Spirit alone to lead you. The act of trusting God and His Word is a work, it is the evidence of your faith. Don't allow man to confuse you, trust the Word. You need to read it to trust it 
  • Tristian Clark Well, when I started out, I hadn't been taught by anyone, this was only a couple of weeks ago. Are you supposed to read the NT first? I just picked up a Bible and started at the beginning, like you'd think you'd do with any book. So, do I think it's wise? I have no idea! You tell me! LOL! I have looked at 119 ministries, that's why I saw this page, and decided to look at the other side. I can't decide whether that's a compliment or an insult that I know a lot, lol. I can't get enough of it! I've never been a believer so this is all new and exciting to me, and I want to know it all NOW!  You have to appreciate my confusion, because I did watch a few teachings on 119's page, and now I'm hearing this stuff. What's a new believer to do?! I feel like my limbs are being pulled in all directions, and I just want to get to the truth, you know?
  • Damon Whitsell Tristian, I feel horrible for all new believers because I have Mormons, Oneness Pentecostals and Bible Missionaries in my family. They all teach you cannot be saved unless your one of them. And every book in the NT except Philemon tells us to beware of false teachers, false prophets, false gospels, false Christ false Spirits and that many men will come and teach damnable heresies. I studied with the Mormons for 8 months and the Oneness Pentecostals for about the same amount of time. By the time they got through with me I would have nothing to do with God for years. Then I was in a car wreck in which I died and was resuscitated. After that I searched for God and His truth on my own by reading the NT first because why study an old testament or covenant if a new one has been given? About a year after studying I accepted the Lord Jesus as my Lord and Savior and then I started studying the OT it did not make much sense to me. But I kept studying the NT and eventually the OT started making sense to me.

    The reason the Mormons and Oneness Pentecostals in my family messed me up so bad was that they seemed to talk out both sides of their mouths. My uncle is a Mormon bishop and my friends would tell me that Mormons where not Christians because they teach things that were not Christian. When they would tell me what Mormons believe I would ask my uncle if they believed them things and he denied it. But when I told him to quit sending the Mormon missionaries to my house he gave me a book published by the Mormon church that showed they really do believe the things my friends told me and that my own uncle lied to me about saying they did not believe those things. My experience with my Oneness relatives was about the same. Always saying things that seemed to line up with the scriptures I was studying but also saying things that seem to contradict what they where earlier saying and the scripture I was reading. 

    119 Ministries does the same thing. I have recently have many of those that follow the ministry tell me that we are saved by grace, not works and that they are obedient merely to show love. But when you watch the 119 ministries video on what is the gospel,,, they say things like “Salvation is by faithfulness, obedience to the commandments and life is obtained by obedient fidelity to the Lord". 

    So beware of double talk from them. And I would suggest reading and studying the NT on your own before listening to anyone.

    I'm about to run out of pre-paid bandwidth so I won't be able to respond much longer. I pray and wish you the best in your new found faith. It is good to follow the commands of Christ, which are not the commands of the OT, out of love. But the NT tells us that if you start to follow the commands to be saved,, you will fall from grace and will not be saved because those who seek to be made right towards God by the law are debtors to do the whole law. And no one has ever kept the whole law but Christ. We are saved by gare through faith having our sins forgiven and we are made righteous in Gods sight when we believe in Christ. Here is parable from Christ that I hope will put that into perspective for you.

    Luk 18:9-14 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
  • Tristian Clark Thank you so much for taking the time to respond to me, Damon, that is very kind of you. I'm so sorry that you've had bad experiences with those religions, I have had similar experiences, where it just seems like you have to find out from someone ELSE what they really teach and believe. It's so frustrating, seeing things that seem to make perfect sense and line up with scripture, but then I hear the opposite from someone else, and THAT seems to make sense as well. 

    I understand that you may not be able to respond, and that is okay. You talked about the 119 teaching about what is the gospel? I have not seen that one quite yet, and that does seem a little contradictory. In theory though, if someone truly does believe that we are saved by grace and not works, but follows the law out of obedience, do you think that is okay? That is what I have been doing (for a whole two weeks, lol), and it really feels right, but obviously I don't want to do something that's not good. By no means do I think we are saved by works, I have just been trying to follow "the rules" to do something to show that I'm trying, like I said before about panicking. Thank you for your well wishes, this has turned out to be some pretty confusing stuff! I will continue to read and study by myself, and see what I come up with. Granted, I did start with the OT (I didn't know it was advisable to start with the NT), but that's the main reason why I'm so confused: I DID read it for myself, and I wasn't taught by anyone until after I had the feeling that it was probably a good idea to follow the laws, hence why I even got to 119 ministries' page in the first place. So now of course I am questioning my instincts, because my first feeling and thought was that God wanted us to do all of that stuff for a reason. I guess I will just keep reading to try and figure out what those reasons were and why they don't apply anymore. Thank you again!
  • Victoria Jenkins wow! I love your heart Tristian! I'm not new, but definitely this has been on my mind a lot lately. What I wonder is this. I believe in grace, where would I be without it? I don't even want to think. But everyone makes grace sound so easy. OK? If it's that easy, why did Jesus say the way was narrow and few would make it? I think if I could understand that reconciled to grace I'd have it figured out.
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  • Tristian Clark Yes!!! I've heard that, too, that the road is narrow. It makes it sound as if it's not going to be super duper easy, but everyone (almost everyone) is telling me that it is just that simple: allow Jesus into your heart, accept him as savior, and that's it! Also, now that I'm thinking about it, I don't quite understand why the OT is pooh-pooh-ed so much. I have no experience, but wouldn't it be two separate books if they were meant to be separate? I guess I'm just a little bit stung, because I've been told by quite a few people now that reading the OT is probably a bad idea. I just picked up the Bible and started reading, because I wanted to know Him, so I started at the beginning. Maybe these are all things that I will understand once I have the NT under my belt. sigh.
  • Chris Rant Victoria you are skating on thin ice,we cannot work our way to salvation.God has made it simple but mans pride gets in the way,thats why Salvation is by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
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  • Rhonda Russell Victoria, because people like the idea of "doing" something to attain God's righteousness....works, deeds, the puffed up idea of doing "good" in addition to what God fully provided. The narrow way is the faith that pleases God which includes NO works of any kind. Most do not accept that any more and are traveling the broad path of a works minded salvation, which God utterly rejects because it's really that person rejecting the finished work of Christ Jesus, God Himself the sacrifice.
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  • Tristian Clark It all just seems too easy, what have I done to deserve such a wonderful gift, without having to do anything? rhetorical question, of course. It's just where my mind is.
  • Chris Rant The narrow way refers to Jesus being the only way to the father,not by many ways(other religions).
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  • Tristian Clark Ohhhh. Okay, I hadn't heard it put that way before. I have to admit, I do like the idea of doing something, obviously by my posts, lol. But certainly not in a puffed-up fashion. Those I've encountered that are following the laws don't seem puffed-up about it, either, they just seem like they are doing His Will. I know that's what I'm trying to do. If anyone would be so kind, or has the inclination, can someone help explain what those laws were *for*, if not for people to follow now? Most of them were more common sense type things, the ones that seemed non-common sense-ish (lol, like my made up words?) I figured I could just trust that it was a good idea in God's eyes. Even if the reason wasn't really obvious to me, I thought I should do it anyway, because He said so.
  • 119 Ministries Heresy Exposed by the Word Yes Tristian you are right, the road is narrow, the reason it's not easy is that one has to put to death by an act of their will the flesh, and choose to follow and yield to the Holy Spirit. This yielding is not easy, but when one reads the Word and believes it, the Holy Spirit helps us, we need to become as a little child and simply trust the Lord and His Word, as we read He reveals so much, and we grow closer and closer 
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  • Chris Rant That's the point Tristian God is showing us how much he loves us by giving us undeserved Grace,and yet most of the world rejects that grace even though it is easy from our eyes but the cost for God was Jesus his Son.
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  • David Eads Hi Tristian, I have hesitated chiming in on this because of 119 ministries banner. I'll try to help if you would like. Damon had a lot of good information in his post. 

    The KJV Bible is generally the most accepted TRANSLATION of the original documents, it is in the Kings language of the age in which it was translated, so it is no easier to understand today than years ago. 

    If you are trying to follow the LAW because it is a great way to live your life, I don't suppose I see anything wrong with that, but if following the LAW is how you expect to obtain salvation, then there is where the problem lies. In the OT, God is talking with his chosen People. The OT is God's old COVENANT, and the Israelites were to follow these laws. Some laws were moral laws, (the Ten Commandments) others were laws to live a Holy life. The NT is God's NEW covenant with not only the Jew, but also the Gentile. The Jews have been since its inception trying to put the LAW back on us. 

    I think reading the entire Bible is important, and not just once but over and over, but I would suggest starting in the NT. I started in John, then red the remainder of NT, back to Matthew, Mark, then Luke. Then I went back to OT. 

    If you would like some help studying I can give you a name and number there if you're interested. There is a lot of confusion in places like this. I am going to stop here tonight, 4 am comes early. I would like to continue this, but not on this page. So I say keep reading, but also don't forget to pray and ask God for the understanding. Good night
  • Chris Rant David for the most part i would agree with you except we believe that the King James Bible is the preserved inerrant word of God and the point of "places like this" is to try and clear up any confusion generated by The Hebrew roots movement,sacred name people and others that try to put born again believers back under the Law.The authority of the position we take will always be the King James Bible.
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  • Tristian Clark Thank you, David, I would love some help, wherever you feel comfortable talking with me.  I started trying to follow the Law because I thought that's what I was supposed to do, but when I started doing it, it felt like a good way to do things. I certainly don't think that I have to do that to obtain salvation... it's hard to explain how I feel. I think salvation is there in Christ, always, and now He is always there for our atonement, instead of animal sacrifices. What I'm catching is that if you accept Christ as savior, then you are saved, period. But... following the Law is probably a good idea, too, for practical as well as scriptural reasons. But never to obtain salvation, just to "walk like Jesus". Sigh.
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  • Rhonda Russell Amen Chris!
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  • David Eads Well put. We'll be talking soon.
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  • Michelle Fort-Greer If you read the book of acts it will help you understand the plan of salvation. We are to live a holy and separated life but believing is not all there is to salvation. My pastor says if you believe you are hungry but do nothing about it, you will still be hungry. Faith without action is just words. If you believe then act on your belief and get baptized and receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. It is a free gift given by god for those who obey his laws.
  • Chris Rant Michelle the alarm we are trying to sound here,is the stealthy nature some of these Hebraic roots people will speak with a double tongue saying yes salvation is through Yeshua,(because more often then not they will not say Jesus) BUT if you are really saved you will keep the Torah.We are just trying to warn people that this could be a slippery slope.
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  • Rhonda Russell Simply said, we are fruit bearers, not fruit producers. -- John 15:8
    "Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples." We do nothing apart from Christ Jesus. The fruits of the Spirit are all of him. The fruit is HIS. --John 15:5
    "I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing." Any works of our faith that we do are because his Word is alive IN us and he is faithful to do that which he has promised unto the ends of the earth...which is to be formed in us. - - Galatians 4:19
    "My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you," --- And what is the obedience that God desires and that which alone please him? The obedience of FAITH! - - Romans 16:25-27
    "25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
    26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
    27 To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen."
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  • Chris Rant Amen Rhonda.
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  • 119 Ministries Heresy Exposed by the Word Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
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  • 119 Ministries Heresy Exposed by the Word (Ephesians 2:8-10) "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: {9} Not of works, lest any man should boast. {10} For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."
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  • Lyric Eads The law of sin and death is simply, "The soul that sins, it shall die." Under the Law, their sacrifices only pushed back the sin penalty for another year but their sins were not remitted (paid for and erased from their account). On the cross Jesus paid the sin penalty for us all, once and for all. He knew that no one could live a holy life by following laws - that we would have to be born again (have His Spirit come and live inside us) so that we could be holy as He is holy. When we are born again His Spirit should lead us & guide us into moral living - his law becomes written on our hearts. I say 'should' because often people reject what the Spirit asks them to do because they don't want to give things up or change how they live. This is sad because He always has our best interests at heart.
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  • Bobbijo Christiansen here is an important verse, i think. i stand firm on this verse.. we need ONLY the word of GOD and his Spirit of Truth willl guide us.. we need NO interpretation from Man. only what God tells us! we are each to learn and grow on our own. we each learnand grow at different paces.. no one person has the ability to tell another what to do or what not to do.. I also read the bible from the beginning.. it makes a lot more sense to do it this way and i dont understand why people dont read the beginning.. it wasn't until after this that i got a real undersatnding of God and My messiah.. people who dont study the beginning of the book are missing out.. the blessings.. now who doesnt want blessings? anyway this verse: 1 John 2:27
    27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.
  • Bobbijo Christiansen we could argue both sides all day. i dont think it is meant we should argue. why is it that one who Loves jesus and wants to live a life according to his will as each one understands it is wrong? I love my mesisah, i read what he says and i try to do what he says.. it is MY understanding that we are to do the things in the old testament because Jesus him self said so.. if i am not trying to be "saved" by my works. i know this is not how it is.. but i want to keep the commandments as he said to.. why would that be wrong. it seems others feel this way when we just read the bible and let the spirit lead us as we are always told. its when we rely on Mans interpretation of what the bible says that we fall into these issues.. I believe we are to read the entire bible. nothing anyone says will change that.. i believe we are to stand on the scripture.. in the days of Jesus, only the Old testament existed. when these apostles write of scripture, they are not refering to their own words. what was preached in the synegoge to the jew and the greek? the Old testament... i believe it is the same today as it was then. and as long as i am not seeking salvation through my works but my works are to show my love and obedience as i understand it to be.. why would that be wrong? no one ever answers me this.. how could someone who loves God and Jesus and Studies and lives by the word. be told it is wrong to do so.. that i have to do only what hte pastors say? i trust no man only in God and His word.. James 2:19-21
    19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?



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